Jay (00:02.592)
Welcome to the dive table. I'm Jay Gardner and with me is our fourth guest co-host of season two, someone I'm extremely happy to call a friend and a teammate and an awesome diver. Coming to us all the way from Austin, Texas, Mr. Scott Bauer. Scott, how are you doing today?
Scott Bauer (00:23.634)
I'm doing good, Jay. And I am incredibly happy to be here too.
Jay (00:29.016)
Good, I'm glad you're happy to be here because it would suck if we started out with like, and I'll do it because you asked me to. I guess.
Scott Bauer (00:36.522)
Yeah, because yeah, we're on a zoom call and it's like a network, you know.
Jay (00:40.392)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I just hit record. Right. Well, and producer Daniel is here as well, which must mean we are recording another episode of the show. Scott, it's been a minute since we've released a new episode. You and I had some technical difficulties the last time we tried to do this and finally sorted out. So I'm excited. The moment is here. The software is working. Everything is in our favor to actually record this episode. And I've been looking forward to it. And one of the reasons I'm
Jay (01:10.66)
really excited about having you on the show for the next three episodes is that you bring such a strong skill set to the table, right? To the dive table, literally. But I don't have, which is underwater photography. You are an incredible, I think it's fair to say up and coming, if not already established and up and coming underwater photographer. And I have always appreciated having the photos you took from the dives we take together.
Jay (01:40.98)
And in the back of my head, I'm always beating myself up after dives we take that you're not on, that I didn't take any photos. So I'm glad you're here with us to help us unpack the subject of underwater photography. But before we get rolling too far into this episode in the next three, why don't you take a minute just to introduce yourself to the audience out there, to our listeners. Who are you, where are you located, how'd you get into diving, all that fun stuff.
Scott Bauer (02:07.07)
Okay, cool. Well, so yeah, my name is Scott. I've been shooting underwater really since I started diving, which I know, in most cases isn't recommended. But it's never really been with you know, when I first got into this, it's not like I had a big camera or anything like that. I just I started with a GoPro and got really fascinated with a few aspects of having
Scott Bauer (02:32.826)
You know some sort of recording device with me when I was underwater going to these places that has really excited to go to but we'll take a few steps backwards because I think it's important for me to kind of explain what got me into diving and Why I chose that path and also kind of what's what's kept me into it as well. So Way back a long time ago before I ever started Getting into the water before I ever started diving. I've always been really fascinated with marine life
Scott Bauer (03:02.314)
And I used to grow coral in saltwater tanks, you know, one of my favorite little nerdy hobbies, growing different species of coral. You have to maintain this entire little miniature ecosystem inside the tank in order just for the coral itself to be happy. You have to have all the snails, all the hermit crabs, different types of starfish. Even you have to have fish because they add a certain element to the water too that keeps this keeps this whole system in check.
Scott Bauer (03:31.442)
in balance and just doing that you learn about all these different things that live on a coral reef and how all these different parts go together and it just eventually came to the point where I wanted to see this in real life and not a captive environment and that's why I signed up for that that first open water class and I remember me and one of my friends you know right after I signed up for that class we decided to go to the Florida Keys and that was my first reef dive.
Jay (03:46.68)
Hmm. Right.
Jay (04:00.694)
Nice.
Scott Bauer (04:01.074)
And back then it's so funny how expensive scuba turns out to be. Um, cause back then, uh, I remember I just immediately splurged on a whole set of gear, uh, right when I got into it, you know, I went straight into like getting my own wing, my own reg. Um, I bought the wetsuit before even signed it, signed up for the class for some reason, and then I really thought I was going high dollar when I bought a GoPro hero four and I had no idea. Back then how much like, like.
Jay (04:12.23)
Hahaha!
Jay (04:21.461)
Yep.
Jay (04:26.772)
Oof.
Scott Bauer (04:31.214)
You know how much money I'd probably be unfortunately spending in the long run on on a bigger camera system But it seems to have all kind of paid off, you know, so You know when I say paid off means like I think I've just about broken even on Money that have made through photography. I don't think that I've profited in any sort of way But at least it's somewhat justified it at the end of the day but that's kind of what got me started and
Jay (04:55.788)
You fed yourself a couple pizzas.
Scott Bauer (05:00.63)
there is something about having a GoPro running, especially on those early dives, because I still look at that footage every now and then because it's really kind of interesting. And there's all sorts of things that are happening that you're not able to fully take in. And there's this thing that people say about, how they don't like to shoot, mess with GoPros while they're diving because they want to live in the moment. And I totally understand that. But there's a whole element to it that you're losing through just the,
Scott Bauer (05:30.838)
I don't just do the human memory. You start to, details start to soften up and you start to lose, you know, certain aspects of things that you experience to these dives. And one of my favorite things is I had these huge hard drives over here, just terabytes and terabytes of GoPro footage. And every now and then, you know, I'll open up some of those volumes and start going through dives that I did years ago and notice things that I didn't even remember, you know, seeing that were right in front of me. And I think that's really interesting.
Scott Bauer (05:59.818)
But yeah, so that's kind of like a nutshell of what what got me started and, you know, what interests kind of led me into diving. And honestly, the the GoPro is what got me started in photography because it eventually just, you know, turned into a bigger and bigger camera system, you know, slowly over time. And it's not like I have the most advanced camera now, but compared to the hero for it's definitely a step forward.
Jay (06:25.615)
I think I had a herophore as well and it got flooded and that thing did not recover. It lived in rice for like, I don't know, a week, two weeks, tried everything. It did not recover.
Scott Bauer (06:32.158)
Ah, yeah!
Scott Bauer (06:35.35)
That's funny because yeah, those older GoPros are not waterproof. Now they're all waterproof without the housing. I mean, only to 10 or 15 feet, but if it floods, it won't hurt it now.
Jay (06:40.008)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, still, yeah. Yeah, and that's cool, the story about the growing coral. I mean, that is a really interesting hobby. My daughter and I, or one of my daughters and I, went into a tropical fish store, and that was their specialty, was kind of the starter corals and all that. And I could have spent days in there learning about all that stuff. It was so fascinating.
Scott Bauer (06:58.881)
Yeah.
Jay (07:07.34)
So it's interesting that was a pathway for you into wanting to go see it in real life. What got you into the fish tanks? Like, was that something you grew up with or something like random hobby you got introduced to?
Scott Bauer (07:18.486)
You know, I've had them growing up. I've had them growing up. I wasn't that interested when I was a kid. I think it was. It's just something about, uh, you know, just getting into that interest of marine life, that, that interest starts to grow and build on itself and you just want to keep, um, um, keep growing. There's something really satisfying about watching. This sounds so weird. It's hard for, it's hard for you to understand unless you're actually growing the coral, but.
Scott Bauer (07:45.41)
There's something really satisfying about watching it grows. It's no different than a bonsai tree or maybe plants that you have in your, your garden. It's something that you're, you're putting a labor of love into upkeeping every day. Um, and, uh, you start to get really passionate about it as you watch it progress through time. And, um, yeah, just through the process of learning about what it needs and how to, you know, how to make it a healthier and how to make your whole system that you have set up run more efficiently. Um,
Scott Bauer (08:14.762)
It's just, it's interest on top of interests that kind of build up each other, if that makes sense.
Jay (08:19.716)
here but the important question here is did you name each of your coral? I could imagine you being in the room be like oh Carl, Carl come on Carl.
Scott Bauer (08:27.509)
No, no, you get really scientific about it. It's the opposite. And I think a lot of, uh, a lot of, um, people that are really into growing coral or raising, raising fish. There's a lot of fish breeders that are really scientific about it. They're actually kind of against naming them, you know, because they're, it's more about the species type and, and, you know,
Scott Bauer (08:47.422)
everything along those lines. Whereas like maybe when you're a kid and you had an aquarium you would name your fish, you know, but this is more of the and I don't know there's something kind of funny about that but this is more about the the science to it I guess.
Jay (09:01.892)
Okay, all right, all right, good. I was curious. I think I would have named the coral. I don't know why, but that's awesome. And you're in Austin. Are you originally from there or where are you from? How'd you end up where you are?
Scott Bauer (09:07.4)
Hahaha
Scott Bauer (09:11.585)
Yeah.
Scott Bauer (09:14.686)
I'm originally from New Orleans and I was actually born in Houston, grew up in New Orleans, spent high school back in the Houston area, and then spent college in Lubbock, Texas at Texas Tech and came to Austin after that.
Jay (09:27.08)
Okay, okay. And then Austin after that. Okay, good. So, and you and I have dove a ton together, um, which is, which is fun. And now I'm in California and you're in, in Bastille in Texas. Um, so we'll probably get the chance to, uh, to bring up the old dives and, and all that fun stuff too, but, uh, but there's a lot to see in Texas as well. Not coral, um, unless you're, you know, out in the, in the Gulf there, but, uh, but that's good.
Scott Bauer (09:40.715)
Yeah.
Jay (09:55.936)
So for our episodes together, I think that we wanted to stay kind of in the ballpark of photography. Um, there's a ton of divers out there who want to be able to capture their experience under the water, kind of like what you'd say, uh, you know, capture those memories, have them forever and hard drives and things, and because of that, they've taken up some level of underwater photography. And so for this particular episode, we wanted to kind of go back to the roots.
Jay (10:25.44)
and ask maybe the fundamental question about underwater photography to start us, which is why take photos underwater in the first place? Like why even is it worth it? Like what's the deal here? And I think it's gonna be a really interesting conversation. So are you ready to jump into this first episode?
Jay (10:48.772)
pause there. You're supposed to have a catchy catchphrase like, let's go coral. Whatever you want to say. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Daniel and edit at 1058.
Scott Bauer (10:52.078)
Oh yeah! I guess I get... I guess you could say I'm ready to camera roll right in.
Jay (11:01.88)
There you go, there you go.
Jay (11:09.956)
trying to help Daniel with the editing. We'll pick it back up at, we'll call it 11.
Jay (11:18.252)
Okay, let's do this first. All right, good, so let's run into this. Let's jump into this subject on photography. So I think the place to start to set all this up is to start with what are right now the various underwater photography options that are out there for people. So what are the types of photography people can focus on? What are the tools that are available?
Jay (11:46.976)
And kind of what's the scope of taking, taking photos? I mean, are you dive planning for photos or dive sites, you know, dedicated to that's photos or, you know, is it more I'm diving, having fun, and then I take a photo here and there kind of the whole thing. So let's, let's get into maybe first, what are the types of photography that you see people kind of broadly jumping into and getting into at this point?
Scott Bauer (12:13.738)
Yeah, well on the surface level, you know, I guess you can start with the idea of carrying a GoPro with you and that's usually where most people start. And usually in that use case, you're not planning a dive to take a photo or a video. It's something that you have hanging from your D ring or whatever that you can pull out quickly and capture, you know, whatever swimming by and.
Scott Bauer (12:40.35)
At that rate, it's it's there's not too much involved with it. It's it's super easy. You can upload it to your phone and post it to the post of the Facebook or whatever, almost immediately. And that's usually where most people that get into it get started, in my opinion. You know, I could be totally wrong about that. But, you know, GoPros are now they're great for video, not so much for stills. But I would say. I would say if you're shooting wide angle.
Scott Bauer (13:07.45)
it's definitely better than what you would get from it. You know, like those Olympus TG, TG six or whatever those things are that you see everybody have. But on the other hand, if you're shooting tiny creatures, the Olympus cameras that they do amazing in a GoPro does terrible for that. So, you know, it just kind of depends on on what's happening. But different types of photography, you know, can be separated into two different categories really broadly. And that's going to be that's going to be
Scott Bauer (13:37.042)
anything that's wide angle and then anything that's macro and macro is of course a tiny seahorse or a shrimp or you know something small and wide angle as you're capturing the entire scene of something and yeah so really those two broad cat categories that's what you're gonna get
Jay (13:50.221)
Hmm.
Jay (13:56.324)
And then within those categories, probably it starts to subdivide into subjects. So there might be people that are really, you know, passionate about taking photos of mammals under the water or people. I know there's a whole like Facebook group and a group of people that are like nudie branch. That's what like their thing is, you know? And it's like, that's their, you know, for you it might be, you know, getting that picture of the gar, right? Or people, right?
Scott Bauer (14:02.539)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (14:16.746)
Yeah, yeah.
Scott Bauer (14:22.938)
or people or or people shooting people underwater. There's a whole there's a whole thing for mermaids. There's even a Netflix show about it right now. Which is kind of funny. I Yeah, I know two of those mermaids that are on that show. They've they've come down to San Marcos and we've done. We've done photo shoots.
Jay (14:30.927)
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.
Jay (14:36.136)
Is there really I didn't know that.
Jay (14:40.59)
Ha ha ha ha!
Jay (14:44.716)
That's crazy. And there's also product. I mean, I think it's more of a niche in terms of product photography underwater, but I've been seeing a little bit of like the stylistic advertising photography, people getting into a little bit that's kind of interesting. But there is a lot of that for underwater products as well, like lights and scuba gear in a lot of ways needs photographs as well.
Scott Bauer (14:57.762)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (15:08.542)
It's interesting that you say that. Yeah, because so under the jungle, when I went and dove there, and of course you're familiar with them. Um, I don't really want to drop any names, but the, uh, the, the guide that I had, she said that her boyfriend, that's how he, that's part of how he makes his living is doing product photography, I guess in the cenotes out there in that, you know, beautiful clear water, whether it's some sort of dress watch or, uh, any, anything like that, that, you know, you can send a nice little.
Scott Bauer (15:38.066)
nice little backdrop and have some light rays. However, that all that all comes together.
Jay (15:41.648)
Yeah, yeah. No, I've seen coffee, like a bag of coffee and a coffee mug. I don't know if there's actually coffee in it, probably full of rocks, but, but still it was a bag of coffee. You know, I've seen different things, kind of interesting, uh, cracking the rum. That, that should definitely be a, uh, a group that's trying or a company that's trying to, uh, take some photos under the water.
Scott Bauer (15:46.942)
Yeah, yeah, it sounds kind of fun though. Yeah.
Scott Bauer (16:00.054)
Oh, that's a good idea.
Scott Bauer (16:03.178)
I need to sneak a bottle of that into Spring Lake one day and get some shots.
Jay (16:08.628)
Yeah, yeah, there you go. See? Yeah. So yeah, so I think you're right. There's kind of this wide angle capturing a whole scene, kind of maybe to when you're talking about the GoPro, just kind of I've seen things that put it on your mask or just kind of hit record and go and don't think about it afterwards. And that might be more like documentarian style photography in that way. So it's really videography at that point.
Jay (16:39.22)
Um, versus the, the macro, which is, I think a lot of, um, folks, you know, that see people on dive boats going out with big rigs, usually it's, it's the macro, um, cameras, I think, uh, I mean, uh, you, you tell me, cause I don't really know, but I would assume when I see the, those photographers under water, they're, you know, seeing things that I'm not seeing, you know, along a wall or in a coral.
Jay (17:07.096)
reef or something like that. And so they're trying to get that perfect picture of that crab or that little octopus or whatever it would be that they're seeing. I've also seen some folks, and this is photography, with the underwater phone cases, which I just, I don't think I'd ever trust a case with my phone, but I saw some people messing with it on a dive boat, trying to figure out how to...
Jay (17:36.076)
Make sure it was watertight. I think they ended up not bringing in the water, which I could totally understand because that's a big risk, right? You know, like you're going to 40 feet and that thing floods, like it's expensive. But I've seen that as well.
Scott Bauer (17:43.86)
Yeah, that's the thing.
Scott Bauer (17:48.866)
How many GoPros have I found on the bottom? You know, how many GoPros have I found on the bottom of Canyon Lake? And if you think about it, if you lose your GoPro, not a whole lot, you know, once you're done with your dive, yeah, that sucks that you lost your GoPro, but at least you can call people and function in society. If you drop your phone and ends up on the bottom of Canyon Lake and you can't find it, then that's, I mean, losing your phone is a painful thing to go through. And that does kind of...
Jay (18:07.949)
Brex.
Jay (18:16.141)
Yes.
Scott Bauer (18:17.378)
suck but that is the new thing you know those housings made by I think the company's called dive bulk they're really well made and they're really reliable and of course you know camera the camera technology and all these new iPhones is progressing pretty quick and it's definitely nothing like what you get from a from a real camera system but it's still pretty impressive and it certainly beats what you can get with a GoPro and honestly that is the that's the way to go these days I think
Scott Bauer (18:46.006)
instead of buying a GoPro is getting that. And you can shoot macro with it. You can shoot wide angle video. It's fully stabilized. I mean, it looks great on the newer iPhones. But if you lose it, you're losing a lot.
Jay (18:57.748)
Yeah, I mean, it's exactly. Exactly. I mean, if you, if you happen to be in the financial situation where you can buy another iPhone just to take diving, then, then like, it sounds like a good platform. But, uh, but yeah, there's a lot you're risking if something goes wrong or you lose it or, you know, how many things have you left on a dive boat? You know what I mean? Uh, you forget it in your, in your kit. Um, but yeah, and then, okay. So.
Scott Bauer (19:09.046)
Yeah.
Scott Bauer (19:21.654)
Yeah, exactly.
Jay (19:25.668)
There's the underwater phone case, there's the GoPro, which look, I'm a big GoPro user, but I usually am only utilizing that tool when I'm teaching. So I put together a few GoPro videos from various trips I've taken and things like that. And I have to admit, it's one of those things that I'm not great at, nor do I love putting all the energy into that yet. Like I'm trying to love it, I want to love it.
Jay (19:55.78)
because I wanna share what I've been up to, but at the same time, it's a lot of work and I haven't gone back to doing it again, and I regret that. So those are kind of the maybe more amateur approaches. What starts to happen when you go, okay, I wanna get more serious than what I can get with my GoPro? What kinds of rigs do you kind of see out there now?
Scott Bauer (20:18.514)
Yeah, well, that's a good question. I think it starts when you love the process of just editing your GoPro footage from the dive that day. If that's something that you're not feeling, then it's probably never going to happen. You know, there's just no no for for for real, though, like, I think there's just there's certain personality types that that sort of thing works for in certain personality types. That, you know, that type of creation just they have no interest in that, you know.
Jay (20:33.195)
Oh yeah, I'm a sucker.
Scott Bauer (20:48.482)
Um, there's just something fun for me about going on a dive and then bringing back that footage and being able to share it with people to where other people see it as a chore. Um, but yeah, if you make it past that stage and you realize that that is something that you want to do, um, I would say the next stage after that is to, um, get into maybe like a, a lower end Sony mirrorless camera, uh, or one of those Canon mirrorless cameras. Um, a lot of people make the mistake of going with.
Scott Bauer (21:17.246)
like that, you know, I always forget if it's a TG4 or TG6. I haven't even looked into it any any deeper than that. A lot of people make that mistake though. And what you're getting with that camera, again, it takes really good stills macro, but you're not going to be able to shoot very good wide images with it. And I think that's why a lot of people lose interest so quick because they take that camera that costs them a lot of money. They take it on a dive with them and they shoot.
Scott Bauer (21:45.298)
a wide you know, like a wide shot they get back and this is this is like blue washed out looking image that probably looks worse than what a GoPro could give you and you're like, why Why did I go through the trouble of carrying this thing with me? And, you know, you have no interest in it after that point, you kind of you know, put it on the shelf and move on. But there's a lot to be there's a lot to be gained from a lower end very affordable.
Scott Bauer (22:12.386)
but good quality camera system like what Sony and Canon both have to offer on their, their, their lines of mirrorless cameras. And you can, you can do a lot with those even without good lighting. Um, there, there's quite a bit you can do if you know how to edit it. And that's the whole other pitfall that you gotta kind of get past too is, is 90% of a good underwater photo, in my opinion, is, is, you know, editing or not 90%, but you know, a lot of it. And uh,
Scott Bauer (22:41.91)
Yeah, if you're just going to pull it straight out of camera, it's always going to look blue and washed out.
Jay (22:46.828)
Yeah, so you've got the camera, whether you're going mirrorless or not. You got the housing, which is a whole different ball game. Well, I should say you have camera and then lenses, and then you have housings. And then you have, you know, when you really get into it, you know, lighting and all that stuff is not cheap by any means, just like any...
Scott Bauer (23:00.746)
Yeah, the lens is... there's a lot of...
Jay (23:14.628)
photography, but anything that goes under water is a little more expensive. So I mean, you know, you can, like you're saying, you can start with one of those mirrorless Sony's or cannons and a housing, obviously like don't just take the camera, you go buy it, best buy it, go diving with it. You got, you have to put it in a housing, but then eventually you're going to upgrade the, you know, the housing and you're going to upgrade the two lights and, um, you know, strobe versus this. And then, and then eventually you get into the stuff that kind of you're doing and, and other pros are doing where you're even like,
Jay (23:43.812)
placing lights in an environment before you even take the shot, right? Like, which is crazy. So, yeah, it kind of scales, and I'm sure it goes even further than that, as you go up the scale there. But yeah, it kind of scales up from the underwater Apple camera to this humongous rig that's as big as your wing that you're taking into the water.
Scott Bauer (24:12.412)
Causes more drag than your entire dive kit. Yeah. Exactly.
Jay (24:13.08)
Ha ha ha.
Jay (24:16.3)
Yeah, yeah, that's funny. All right, well good. So I think that kind of covers the types. So again, wide angle versus macro and subject dependent and some of the tools that are readily available obviously to the average, maybe, you know, up and coming photographer. We're talking about the pros and not geo, you know, photographers as a whole another layer of.
Jay (24:44.5)
of things I think that get added to it. But I think that kind of covers that. So let's maybe talk about, there's gear, there's the subject, there's wide angle versus macro. But like why, and you kind of alluded to it, I think in the beginning here.
Jay (25:06.688)
why do underwater photos matter kind of in the grand scheme of things? So, you know, there is that argument out there that look like I'm diving and I wanna be in the moment. And there's some truth to that with, for me even with like, you know, Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. I've talked about before on this podcast about, you know, removing the frame and being a part of the environment and having that experience versus seeing it through a lens or seeing it through
Jay (25:36.724)
a camera or even reliving it later through a hard drive, like you're talking about your first dive. So why do underwater photos kind of matter in the grand scheme of things? And is there a personal payoff to capturing a photo or a set of photos? And I think you alluded to some of this stuff in the opening, but I wanna unpack that a little bit more. So, I think the first thing I wanna talk about is the
Scott Bauer (25:59.222)
Okay, yeah. And I think for me, there's definitely a personal payoff to it. And it's, part of it is sharing it with other people, but part of it is very personal too. The whole, whatever that is, that drive that, makes us all wanna go scuba diving all the time, cause there's some people that dive a few times a year and then there's people like us that are obsessed with it for some reason. And there's something that draws us to that. And
Jay (26:24.644)
I'm sorry.
Scott Bauer (26:28.842)
when you get into photography, you typically will start photographing things that you love like that and There is something about capturing trying to capture just like what you said You know, you're talking about living in the moment and removing the frame there's something about putting a frame up there and trying to capture certain specific Spits that can even talk specific things within that frame that kind of
Scott Bauer (26:55.438)
capture everything that you want to take and share with somebody else and convey it, you know, convey what you love about that specific thing. And, um, I would say too, there's another thing too, about when you're, when you're somewhere that you find really fascinating in a, in a place that you feel like is very cool. You know, like for example, the first time I ever went to the flower garden banks, I was, I was blown away. I haven't been diving in a whole lot of places by that point. Um, and, uh,
Jay (27:05.012)
Yeah, that makes sense.
Scott Bauer (27:24.802)
That was one of the earlier choral resets I've ever seen. And I was just blown away. There's something about wanting to capture that moment and kind of freeze that moment in the best way that you possibly can so you could bring that back home and either turn it into a fine art print or share it with your friends or even just post it on social media, whatever you're into. It's kind of like a souvenir to where you're not really taking anything from that place.
Jay (27:54.316)
Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that makes sense. And like I said, I think that's some of the regret I have sometimes is like, oh, I wish I, there's only so far that verbal storytelling can go to where you're trying to communicate what you saw or to friends that don't dive or what it's like under the water. And it's hard to convey that with words often.
Scott Bauer (28:12.099)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (28:16.383)
Yeah.
Jay (28:23.233)
And sometimes I think too it's hard.
Scott Bauer (28:23.454)
And that's what it is, my opinions is it's a form of communication. I think that's a very good way to put it. And that's what photography is on any level. It's, you know, you're telling a story with one image, whereas a video, you're telling a story in multiple sequences. Photography is you're trying to include, um, whatever you need in that one image to tell that story in if your audience is people that don't dive and you're trying to share with them.
Jay (28:36.002)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (28:48.882)
that amazing feeling that you got the first time you dove in the flower garden banks in the Gulf of Mexico and you want them to feel that grandness that you felt when you first jumped in there. That's a really special thing. If I'm ever able to accomplish that, that would feel really good. If you could just nail it, just absolutely nail it in one photograph and it just kind of hangs there forever and keeps getting shared and looked at and just builds its own life.
Jay (29:18.888)
That's like the light rays in the pit. You know, you see that picture, there's one of those pictures that we don't even, I don't even probably have to say which one it is. We both have probably the same image in our head right now of that picture with the rays.
Scott Bauer (29:23.978)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott Bauer (29:32.902)
There's a picture I keep seeing of Ponderosa too, that's kind of like that. And it's just, you know, these god rays coming through the opening.
Jay (29:37.437)
Yeah.
Jay (29:42.12)
And it did kind of capture what that felt like when you dove there. We didn't dive there together. We dove there separately, but when you dove there, that image is what comes to mind from that experience, even though there's a lot more to both of those sites, you know, the pit has the cathedral rooms and all that. Oh, okay.
Scott Bauer (29:58.09)
I've never been to Ponderosa. I'm talking about somebody else's, talking about somebody else's photo that I keep seeing. Yeah. I've never been to Ponderosa. I've wanted to, I've been told to go there in the winter time. Um, but, uh, yeah, it'll pit. I mean, that blew, that blew my mind for sure. I really loved that experience. Um, but I think there's, there's something else that you said earlier. I didn't mean to cut you off, Jay, my bad. Um, but there's something else he said, uh, there's something else he said earlier too, um, that.
Jay (30:15.873)
Yeah, I...
Jay (30:19.989)
No, go ahead, go ahead.
Scott Bauer (30:25.646)
kind of answers your question in a way because you were talking about the different levels that a photographer might be on, whether they're just carrying a GoPro to shoot from the hip as they're diving, or whether they're going as far as to plan an entire dive to take a shot. And that's another thing that I've always found really fascinating. And I haven't really gotten into it at that level yet, but I definitely wanna grow to that. Because that's when you're taking...
Scott Bauer (30:52.61)
That's when you're planning a dive kind of like a mission to where, you know, you're coming back with this, this image that you have in your mind, this thing that you want to create. Um, and you know, now you're taking this, uh, this whole tangible skill that you've been learning and all these technical things, and then you're mixing it with creativity and in its own, in its own way. If I just find that really fascinating and then you get to come back with that, uh, with that package basically.
Jay (31:18.435)
Yeah.
Scott Bauer (31:20.151)
And that's something that I really like the idea of that.
Jay (31:24.512)
Yeah, I mean, you know, you go in as far as storyboarding out the communication that you wanna have, right? And trying to go and capture those images. I mean, you know, as an instructor, that's a normal thing to do in terms of planning out dives for specific purposes, right? So we're gonna accomplish this on this dive. But I think that is a layer of photography where you're planning out
Scott Bauer (31:28.93)
Mm-hmm.
Jay (31:54.264)
the dive. And I think that that's a big scope. It's not just the storyboard and things that you need to capture because you're in the wild. There's no guarantee. All right, we need, you know, I always joke about the cartoon I saw, you know, the find a fish book, the diver shooting an SMB into a jellyfish. Like, that's on your storyboard. Like, I need the shot of the diver shooting SMB into the center of a jellyfish. You know, like, there's a lot of dependencies.
Scott Bauer (32:02.795)
Anything can happen, yeah.
Scott Bauer (32:14.222)
haha
Scott Bauer (32:19.99)
And I need three dolphins in the background.
Jay (32:23.332)
Dolphins in the background with a great white fin on the top. Okay, there's no guarantee. But even if you're getting in the water to say like, oh, we really want to capture… I always think about the Spring Lake and the Gar. The Gar Bar, there's a location in Spring Lake or in the spring there that is known as or nicknamed as the Gar Bar because that's where the Gar's are supposed to hang out. And they're somewhat elusive.
Jay (32:52.732)
They're not exactly the most easy subjects to photograph. And you and I have been in there multiple times together. And I remember the dive that we went on and you go, like, I got it, I got the car, like it was there. Like, you know, it was awesome. I'm like, I was wondering what the heck you were chasing up on the surface. And like, yeah, you weren't on the surface, but close to, like way up there. And I'm like.
Scott Bauer (33:13.474)
close to the top. Yeah, nobody. Usually people that go with me, they don't see the car. For those of you that don't know Alex, he dies with us a lot. And I'll do a lot of spring lake dies with him. And he is telling me that he thinks those gar or CGI, because every time I go on a dive with them, and photograph them, he doesn't see them on that whatsoever. But it's kind of funny, you're right, because you have to go kind of up on the top towards the surface. And you're behind like some brush, you know, that's some foliage.
Jay (33:28.092)
Hahaha!
Jay (33:34.37)
Right.
Scott Bauer (33:41.834)
that's back there and if you're down on the riverbed you won't you won't see them.
Jay (33:46.592)
Yeah, and when you think about the intention or the intentionality behind shooting like that, and you ask that question, you know, why do underwater photos matter in the grand scheme of things, I also think if you zoom out and you think about like the story of Valerie Taylor, for example, I don't know if you saw a documentary playing with sharks, but it was great.
Jay (34:11.596)
But a lot of these stories, you know, Valerie Taylor, Jacques Cousteau, obviously the most famous one, you know, the inventor of the aqualung, all these things. Even Dr. Sylvia Earle at some level, a lot of these stories started with, you know, fishing. I was an underwater spearfisher. And then I started taking underwater photographs and video. And then I realized, oh, this video tells a story. And so I started telling that story. And then I realized the things that we do.
Jay (34:40.584)
actually affect the underwater world, and it turned into some of the great conservationists of their time. And so when you think about the percentage of people that are privileged enough to call themselves scuba divers and have been able to see what a coral reef looks like for themselves, or what a spring or cenote looks like, or what the wall in the ocean looks like or a
Jay (35:09.588)
It's not a mass, it's not like how many people have flown on an airplane at this point, it's a lot. How many people have seen a coral reef with their own eyes under the water, you know, the number's limited. But then you say how many people know what a coral reef is, and almost everybody would, and why? Because those photos bring it to life. You know, what's happening in the ocean, what's happening.
Jay (35:35.604)
over time in a dive site or in a particular environment. And so I think that photos matter in the grand scheme of things because they bring others into that world, into that environment, into that wild that otherwise either couldn't or won't ever be in that environment. And that has turned into a lot of conservation and activism and that's amazing. So there's something special too, I think about the separation between
Jay (36:04.536)
photographs and videography. I don't know why, but videography feels more, at least this is how people would describe it to me when I was asking them about it, was feels more that you're observing something. It's harder to put yourself in that environment. You're more observing what somebody else is doing versus a photograph for whatever reason, because it's still, because it's limited, because it's only the four,
Jay (36:34.42)
you know, sides of that frame, feels like you can put yourself in that scene easier. Like your imagination has an easier job putting yourself in it for some reason than it does with watching a video. And I found that kind of interesting and as I thought about it, true. So anyway, my point being that I think that underwater photography has a huge role to play when it's used in that way to introduce people to what's happening in our water, what's happening in our waterways.
Jay (37:04.456)
and leads to, I'm not saying all photographs lead to conservationism and activism, but that certainly has been a pathway for people. And that's, I think, a really, you know, kudos to photography and those that get really into it to tell those stories and show, you know, even if it's your small group of friends that don't dive, what you see, it's a cool way to invite them into that environment that needs us to be conscious of our underwater, you know.
Jay (37:33.656)
health and underwater ways that we impact.
Scott Bauer (37:38.578)
No, I think that's very real. Yeah. There, even if it's in like such a small way of, you know, one or two of your friends seeing it. And I think a lot of that too, you know, the local Texas stuff, because a lot of people don't realize that there's springs in the hill country that look like Spring Lake or Orlando Lake in New Braunfels. And it's always interesting to me when you post a picture.
Scott Bauer (38:05.526)
of one of those areas and people ask you where you went on vacation to go take that picture or something like that. And it's like, well, that blue waters, you know, right here, there's, there's springs all over the place and the, in the hill country, a lot of people don't realize that and, and I think that's another fascinating thing about the flower garden banks too, cause a lot of people don't realize there's a coral reef off the coast of Galveston. Because the last thing when you go and look at that chocolate milk water on the the beach of Galveston, the last thing you expect to be
Jay (38:11.274)
All right.
Scott Bauer (38:33.414)
Even if it is a hundred miles off shore, the last thing you'd expect to be out there is that. And I've always found that kind of funny too.
Jay (38:43.948)
Yeah, well good. I mean, I think there is both a personal payoff to photography and a broader impact that photographs can bring and videography can bring. Of course, I'm going back to feeling like I didn't love editing my GoPro videos, so I'm hopeless, but. Ha ha ha ha.
Scott Bauer (39:05.407)
And it's fine if you didn't love it. Yeah, it's that it's just I think it's I think that type of activity only works with certain personalities. You know, I think only certain types of people can ever be into that. And it's definitely something you can't really force yourself to like. And I totally understand if you don't, you know.
Jay (39:24.34)
Yeah, it's one of those things in the back of my head that I always think about is like, if I just got better at sharing what I'm doing, you know, and having that muscle in your repertoire and I just never have it, but at the same time, I so appreciate, like, for example, I mean, this is a stupid appreciation, but it's still an appreciation. You know, we just moved, everyone knows that out in the podcast world and, you know, I have a new house to furnish.
Scott Bauer (39:33.528)
Hmm.
Jay (39:54.132)
in the office and things. And yeah, I'm like, hey Scott, can I print a couple pictures that you took of me under the water? Is that cool with you? And like, yeah, you're like, hey, yeah, no worries. Like send me which ones, I'll send you the high res photo. And I'm gonna put those up in my office. And they're memories, you know, the ones that I wanted, one was on that little expedition we took out in the river there, you know, it was a great photo. And the other one was, you know, I think we're actually in Spring Lake and I was just messing around. I was being a...
Scott Bauer (40:14.919)
Oh yeah, yeah, the Frio.
Jay (40:24.036)
you know, photographer dive buddy, dive teammate and sitting there watching whatever you were doing and making sure you were good and not seeing what you were seeing, but happy to be there and in support of you. And then when you finally turned around, I was just messing around. I'm like, hey, you know, look, I'm going to be an underwater magician. Like, you know, like through smoke up in the air and he captured that moment. Yeah. Kind of funny. So I'm like, I want those. They're moments. They're cool. Yeah. The cream wheat. Yeah.
Scott Bauer (40:46.18)
haha I know what you're talking about now, yeah that's funny it's down in the cream of wheat
Scott Bauer (40:53.516)
Yeah.
Jay (40:54.2)
So, well good. All right, well, obviously we're not gonna solve world peace here in a podcast, but. Ha ha ha.
Scott Bauer (41:00.074)
Yeah, I'm definitely not going to, but other photographers will. And I totally get what you're saying on that. And I completely agree. Um, but yeah, no, it can happen in a small way too, I think. And that's, that's kind of fun.
Jay (41:14.72)
Yeah, and I think too, it's cool that in some ways, that skill set for you, at least, like you said, you've kind of broken even. So it's become a side hustle and then it's become a focus for you to build, which is really cool as well.
Scott Bauer (41:31.834)
Yeah, and it's not like I did it for the money either, you know, like, if I look back and think about how much how much fun I had doing all that stuff that I've done, you know, with with just diving general and photography in general. In the fact that, I mean, I would still I would pay a ton of money to do a lot of that stuff, you know, so I'm good, to be honest. I just want to yeah, I just want to keep on you know, finding finding some some interesting places to go and
Jay (41:54.176)
You're good in the balanced books.
Scott Bauer (42:02.14)
try to take a good photograph or two.
Jay (42:04.948)
Yes, and just don't ever hire an accountant to actually balance the books. That's what scares me about scuba. Like, no, that knowledge would not be power. That knowledge would be, I think, a sad, sad, sad day. Look at how much.
Scott Bauer (42:09.397)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Scott Bauer (42:19.922)
Yeah, I know it blows my mind like how quickly stuff adds up to and things that you don't even and things you don't even want to count. Like, for example, I ordered some parts kits today for my my regulators and and then I was looking at how much I've been spending on gas fills and you don't even think about that sort of thing. You like to think about the bigger stuff. How much did I spend on buying those tanks, buying that wing, buying the regs and you don't take it.
Scott Bauer (42:47.11)
You don't take into account usually what you're spending on just maintenance or the gas itself.
Jay (42:51.201)
Right.
Jay (42:53.868)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. All right, well maybe let's wrap this one up with some advice. So for you, my advice is really simple for the answer to this question, I don't know. You know, I'm not in your realm by any means, but what advice do you have for divers that are maybe getting into photography or thinking about, like that enjoyed editing that GoPro video and sharing it out, you know, what advice do you have
Scott Bauer (43:21.548)
Mm-hmm.
Jay (43:23.224)
for those people that are kind of interested in going down that path.
Scott Bauer (43:27.586)
Yeah, there's two things that the first and most important thing is to work on buoyancy and trim and be able to control the directions that you're going to go be able to go most importantly, be able to go backwards if you can back kick. I know that, you know, in most, I guess for most technical divers, back kicking is kind of like a secondary thing, not that big of a deal, but for a photographer, the fact that you can back up when you accidentally push yourself too close.
Scott Bauer (43:55.65)
to the subject, that's the most useful thing ever. And it's something that I used to be really bad at and I recently worked on it, but it's been a game changer, learning how to back kick. But yeah, that goes into the whole buoyancy and trim thing. If you can figure out what it means to have a good form as a diver in whatever organization or agency you choose to get your training from. And on the gear side of things, avoid any sort of point and shoot camera.
Scott Bauer (44:25.534)
Um, once you decide to move past a GoPro or cell phone, um, I would, uh, uh, look into, I mean, there's a lot of really inexpensive plastic composite housings now that are plenty reliable. So I would look into finding one of those that fits on some sort of, uh, low wind Sony or cam Canon, uh, mirrorless camera. If, um, yeah. So let me kind of, let me kind of rewind a little bit. Um,
Scott Bauer (44:55.254)
Find the housing first. Make sure that it's a camera that you want and then get the camera. Don't get the camera and expect to find a housing.
Jay (45:03.656)
Ah, that's a good one. Why is that? Because it's hard to find the right housing.
Scott Bauer (45:08.746)
Most people buy a camera and say I want to take this underwater like My friend for example, he bought he bought a Panasonic GH5 mark to I think is a GH5 Yeah, GH5 really expensive camera really nice camera and yeah, you can find an underwater housing for it But it's gonna be made by not a cam and it's gonna cost you six grand but his idea was to put inside a seafrogs housing, which is an amazing idea and seafrogs makes housings
Scott Bauer (45:38.538)
for those but not for the mark 2.
Scott Bauer (45:42.122)
So he bought that camera and wasn't really ever able to take it under water. It was a huge investment for him and he recently sold it. But I think about things like that. So, you know, get the housing, then buy the camera that goes in that housing is what I would suggest. So if you get on Seafrogs or any of those websites, you find an affordable housing for it, then that's probably the best way to go.
Jay (45:56.96)
Yeah, yeah, that's a really good, something I would have never known.
Jay (46:06.964)
Yeah, within within the budget unless unless you're you know, independently wealthy, then go for it. Knock yourself off.
Scott Bauer (46:12.33)
Yeah. Yeah. Unless you have the money for one of those. Yeah, exactly. Unless you have the money for one of those pro quality underwater housings, then, you know, I would look at the camera first then, but if you're on a budget, get the, get the budget housing first.
Jay (46:25.748)
And if you're listening to this and you are in that position, Scott, you can read Scott at ScottBauer, gmail.com, whatever, and just buy two and send him one. He'd appreciate it. So yeah, I mean, I think that's good advice. It's interesting though, that you started with the personal skills because he kind of took the words right out of my mouth on that is that the only thing I know or that I've observed, I should say, is that I've seen a lot of
Scott Bauer (46:38.583)
Hahaha
Jay (46:54.212)
Frustrated photographers, let's say people that that are maybe up and coming in photography or Trying to learn it they get really frustrated I didn't get that picture or they start comparing those pictures and it's not you know It's because they couldn't stop right they got too close and they didn't know how to go backwards right or or you know They they crashed into the reef because their buoyancy was bad or they started focusing on something and their buoyancy go You know they lose it and go up or down
Jay (47:23.776)
And I think that that's not only a really important point that you made, but it's also a safety point. Like I think if you're not somewhat comfortable, that's the word I've been using, I think in season two, it keeps coming through is being comfortable in your skills, like getting to where you wanna be. I wanna be over there and then I wanna stop. Are you comfortable doing that, right? Without crashing into something or grabbing something. Are you comfortable, you know, focusing on things? Because like you said,
Jay (47:53.516)
in the beginning of the show, there are things that you go back and look at in that video that you realize, oh, I didn't even see that and I was in the environment. We have a tendency to have tunnel vision really easily. You think about your first couple of open water dives outside of your open water course, all you're really looking at is your depth gauge and your SPG constantly. You don't see anything else on the dive because this is new gear.
Jay (48:21.24)
is my gas still on, right? There's a lot of stress around those things. And so you're tunneled into that piece of equipment. When you start to add in something like a camera that requires like settings, that requires framing, that requires all of these sorts of things, it's not just a point and shoot, unless you're doing a GoPro in some ways. But if you're trying to capture a shot, it can be dangerous if you're not already comfortable with your personal skillset under the water.
Jay (48:51.428)
to then add that in because now you're tunnel visioned into the camera and maybe you're forgetting completely to focus on checking your gas because you don't do that normally, right? Or that's probably the extreme version, but there are lighter versions where you're checking the settings of your camera and all of a sudden you're on the surface, which I've seen lots of times, you know, or you're crashing into the bottom. So I think those, that skillset, and then you don't get the photo and your dive's over.
Scott Bauer (49:10.466)
Yeah.
Jay (49:19.592)
Or you put yourself into an emergency situation. So I think that it's good advice. I don't know what, I wouldn't venture as far as to say on a podcast what I think those skills, what level those skills should be at. But I think the word comfortable, if you are not yet comfortable with just your diving apparatus as it is, adding the camera,
Jay (49:48.324)
to some degree is going to add another piece of gear that's going to take your situational awareness inward rather than outward into the environment. And you have to be careful with that. So I think that's really good advice, getting squared away. And I also think maybe to add onto that, and this is maybe me being safety officer, Jay here, but I think too, when you're adding new gear, even if you are comfortable, for example, I went on a dive with brand new, like seven brand new things, which is not smart, right?
Jay (50:18.536)
there was no way I should bring a camera on that dive, even a GoPro, right? Because I have so many new things, like new undergarment, new dry seat, new this. And it's like, okay, I have so many things just to get comfortable in. And I need to focus on those things while maintaining my safety. So again, if you're adding a piece of gear, add it progressively, right? If you're changing something in your kit, you know, maybe don't take the camera on that dive while you're dialing that in, right? So on and so forth. So.
Scott Bauer (50:44.49)
Yeah, and I do that even like when I go on vacation and go on like a long dive trip. I'll even a lot of times the first dive of that trip. I don't bring the camera just to kind of get dialed in and get you everything. And it's not even just being comfortable with diving. I think like if you're going to be operating a camp like a like a camera that actually allows you to control the F stop and the shutter speed ISO and whatnot. If you're focusing on that, the amount of task loading that that adds into what you're doing.
Scott Bauer (51:13.558)
Diving needs to be second nature. It needs to be something that, kind of like riding a bicycle, you're able to stay buoyant without even thinking about it. And I'm not talking about using GoPros or point and shoot type stuff. At that point, it's not as big of a deal. But if you're using like a camera, camera, diving should definitely be second nature by that point. You should have a good amount of dives under your belt before you try to take that on. Because you're not only risking your own safety, but you're also risking losing.
Scott Bauer (51:42.698)
an incredibly expensive piece of equipment that you probably spend a lot of money on or putting yourself or someone else in danger and you're not really going to be able to focus on getting any good work until that aspect of what you're doing is pretty well under your own control.
Jay (52:02.688)
Yeah, maybe we'll unpack more of this in the next episode. I think this is a good subject because it's interesting that the first place you went with how to get started is with personal skills. And then I would add to that then team skills and then technical skills on the photography. So maybe we'll unpack some of that in the next episode. Sound good? All right, good.
Scott Bauer (52:18.179)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (52:24.982)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Jay (52:28.324)
All right, well, let's wrap this one up. I mean, this has been good. It's funny. This is so easy. You know, we've spent hours. You know, we took a trip. I was like four hours out and four hours back in the truck in one day. I think it was something like that. Three hours, something like that. And I was laughing. You know, I compare that trip because you and I just endlessly talked for the whole time and the whole way back. Yeah. I was like doing a podcast.
Scott Bauer (52:42.824)
Haha
Scott Bauer (52:50.33)
It was like it was like our own podcast. Yeah
Scott Bauer (52:54.85)
Hahaha
Jay (52:55.192)
and just about diving. It wasn't like just it was talking about diving. So it was funny because this felt like that. You know, super simple. I looked down at the clock and go, oh wow, we're at time. It's time to wrap this one up. So Scott, thank you so much. Before we go, would you let people know where they can find you if they want to connect with you or see some of your work?
Scott Bauer (53:17.406)
Yeah, absolutely. So I have a YouTube channel. It's Scott Bauer below. And then my Instagram is also Scott Bauer below. That's where you could go to see a lot of my photos that I post and, um, all of my video is going to be on the YouTube channel. So yeah, feel free to check out either of those. And, um, my last name is B A U E R.
Jay (53:38.444)
Yeah, like the TV show, right? Or Eddie, oh Eddie Bauer, yeah. No, there's only one Bauer and it's Jack. No, it's Jack. I'm sorry. It's Jack Bauer. Yeah. 24, oh my gosh. That was, you know what's so funny about that is, so I never really got into it live TV. I never was like a get around the TV at a certain time person and even now.
Scott Bauer (53:42.198)
Yeah, or Eddie Bauer.
Scott Bauer (53:46.954)
Or bowerskates, I think there's yeah, bowerskates.
Scott Bauer (53:52.226)
Yeah.
Jay (54:07.904)
Like I think the only time I've ever done that for any show was Game of Thrones when that one was around, it was like a whole community event. But I remember this, this maybe dates me, but I remember 24, um, when I was in college, uh, you know, I had a house with like, I don't know, five or six roommates. You know how it goes in college and, um, we had a real house though. One of those college roommates had the, like, check out four disks at a time from Blockbuster Deal. Like his.
Scott Bauer (54:13.484)
Yeah.
Jay (54:37.6)
He paid for that monthly subscription or whatever. And so like the whole house benefited from that. And I remember at one point he brought home or someone brought home the first four discs of 24, you know, season one. And oh yeah, okay, fine, I'll watch it. And it was like, it was just like going back and forth the blockbuster, you know, every week and exchanging four discs for this and four discs for that to get, you know, to watch Jack Bauer.
Scott Bauer (54:58.794)
Yeah.
Scott Bauer (55:01.794)
I always thought that show was funny because so much happens in 24 hours in that show. It's like suddenly he's in Paris after he was in New York 4 hours ago, you know?
Jay (55:11.856)
He never eats, he never sleeps, he never goes to the bathroom. There's never a dull moment in Jack Bauer's life. So that's why I said there's only one. Anyway, okay, good. So Scott Bauer below on YouTube and that's Scott Bauer below on Instagram. You might even see the photos I was referring to earlier of me on his Insta and check him out. So they're there somewhere, I'm sure. So good.
Scott Bauer (55:13.354)
Yeah, never eats. Yeah, there's never anything like that. Yeah.
Scott Bauer (55:34.838)
Yeah, they're there.
Jay (55:39.392)
Well, today we focused on why, kind of the fundamental question, why take photos underwater in the first place. And we'd love to hear your thoughts. Are you an aspiring underwater photographer? How do you feel about taking photos underwater? How did you get your start or what phase are you in? Are you still in the GoPro phase where you hate editing the video like me? Or are you well beyond it building your own rigs and things and getting paid to take photos? We'd love to hear from you. So reach out.
Jay (56:07.512)
to Scott or myself, we'd love to hear your comments. And make sure that you subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts, whether that be Spotify or Apple or wherever you get them, so you can be a part of this growing community. Any parting thoughts, Scott?
Scott Bauer (56:24.766)
Um, man, putting me on the spot. Uh, I would say, no, I don't have any parting thoughts.
Jay (56:32.105)
No parting thoughts, just.
Scott Bauer (56:33.31)
Yeah, we're gonna have to edit that part out.
Jay (56:36.68)
part the subject away from the background, right? That's a parting thought. I don't have any good photography jokes. Sorry, I don't know.
Scott Bauer (56:40.802)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Bauer (56:43.848)
Hahaha
Jay (56:50.188)
Don't be a part of taking bad photos underwater. There you go, a parting thought.
Scott Bauer (56:54.366)
There you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll go with that.
Jay (56:57.9)
There you go. All right, awesome. Well, thanks out there for joining us today and we look forward to having you back on the next episode of the Dive Table.
